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Gemma4 31B Q6_K - failing some *really* basic tool calls..

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11 SIGNALSFIRST DETECTED 2 April 2026UPDATED 5 May 2026
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The first signal arrived April 2nd: a score-4.3 post about Gemma 4 31B Q6_K failing tool calls so elementary that the frustration in the thread had a genuine edge of disbelief. Not edge-case orchestration failures. Not malformed schemas under adversarial prompting. The foundational function-calling that every agent runtime, every coding assistant, every structured data pipeline treats as table stakes. One report is easy to rationalize — wrong chat template, misconfigured inference server, corrupted quantization. Then came six days of silence, and then April 8th broke the pattern with a more pointed thread: not one variant, not one quantization level, but Gemma 4 across all variants failing at tool calling. The scope had quietly widened. April 9th brought three separate threads in a single day, which is the kind of convergence that turns a quirk into a pattern. One explored native tool calling behavior with Ollama specifically. Another documented reasoning content disappearing in Opencode the moment tool definitions were introduced — a failure mode with a particular sting, since it suggests the model may be making a structural tradeoff between its reasoning trace and its tool-use pathway. A third was blunter still: Gemma 4 is terrible with system prompts and tools. By April 11th the reports had spread to the smaller E4B variant running through llama.cpp, with tools simply not firing on the Continue VS Code extension. April 13th added structured data extraction failures. And as recently as April 22nd and 23rd, practitioners were still asking whether anyone had successfully deployed Gemma 4 in agentic workflows at all — with the Qwen 3.6-35B thread on the 23rd suggesting some users are already voting with their inference budgets and moving on.

If confirmed, here is what this means. Google has shipped a model that cannot reliably perform the task most local deployment actually requires of it — not chat, not summarization, but tool use as a building block for autonomous agents and coding assistants. The Gemma line carries weight in the local inference community precisely because it runs at accessible sizes without cloud dependency. A tool-calling failure that spans variants and quantization levels and multiple inference backends is not a configuration problem users can patch around; it is an architectural or training data problem that only Google can fix. Developers who chose Gemma 4 for agent pipelines on the strength of benchmark numbers are now either debugging in circles or quietly migrating to Qwen or Mistral alternatives. The second-order effect is reputational: Gemma's credibility as a local-first model for production agentic work takes a measurable hit every week this sits unaddressed, and that credibility is hard to rebuild once the community's default recommendation has shifted.

Watch for an official Google acknowledgment of tool-calling template issues, or a community-confirmed workaround that resolves the behavior across backends — either would reframe this from a model limitation to a deployment configuration story. Absence of either, as the weeks accumulate, is its own kind of signal.

How the story developed
24 Aug
"Forcing" the model to use tools
OPINION · WHAT · LocalLLaMA
16 Jul
9 Apr
5.6
9 Apr
Gemma4 and Ollama: Native tool calling
OPINION · WHAT · LocalLLaMA
6.8
8 Apr
Gemma4 , all variants fails in Tool Calling
OPINION · WHAT · LocalLLaMA
6.6
Other feeds and industry voices
8 Apr
It looks like we’ll need to download the new Gemma 4 GGUFs

<!-- SC_OFF --><div class="md"><p><a href="https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E2B-it-GGUF">https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E2B-it-GGUF</a></p> <p><a

OPINION · WHAT · LocalLLaMAOPEN STORY
9 Apr
AI to program on my local computers

<!-- SC_OFF --><div class="md"><p>Hi,</p> <p>I taught Computer Science for 30 years in a French School of Electrical Engineering, Computer Science Department.</p> <p>I recently

OPINION · WHAT · LocalLLaMAOPEN STORY
24 Mar
Qwen 3.5 models create gibberish from large input texts?

<!-- SC_OFF --><div class="md"><p>In LM Studio the new Qwen 3.5 models (4b 9b 27b 122b) when analyzing large (more than 50k tokens) texts start to output gibberish. It is not a

OPINION · WHEN · LocalLLaMAOPEN STORY
14 May
Anthropic merges consecutive same-role messages, OpenAI doesn't (+4 tokens), anyone token-counted this on open-weight models?

<!-- SC_OFF --><div class="md"><p>I build context/harness optimization tooling, so provider-side serialization quirks actually matter to me. If you're optimizing over prompts, you

OPINION · WHAT · LocalLLaMAOPEN STORY
6 May
2.5x faster inference with Qwen 3.6 27B using MTP - Finally a viable option for local agentic coding - 262k context on 48GB - Fixed chat template - Drop-in OpenAI and Anthropic API endpoints

<!-- SC_OFF --><div class="md"><blockquote> <p><strong>WARNING: wait before download from HF: I just realised my upload of the new versions with the additional fix in the chat

OPINION · HOW · LocalLLaMAOPEN STORY
21 Apr
Where we are. In a year, everything has changed. Kimi - Minimax - Qwen - Gemma - GLM

<table> <tr><td> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1srhtvg/where_we_are_in_a_year_everything_has_changed/"> <img alt="Where we are. In a year, everything has

OPINION · WHERE · LocalLLaMAOPEN STORY
14 Apr
Gemma 4 & Obsidian

<!-- SC_OFF --><div class="md"><p>so today I tried the Obsidian LLM wiki system by Karparthy, but with Gemma 4 locally in OpenCode with instead of Claude code. </p> <p>My

OPINION · WHEN · LocalLLaMAOPEN STORY
15 Apr
Been trying to get Qwen 3.5 to stop reasoning using old methods like /no_think, it didn't work, but it said something like "too late" in its reasoning

<!-- SC_OFF --><div class="md"><blockquote> <p>Wait, I need to be careful about the &quot;no_think&quot; tag in the system prompt. The system prompt says <code>/no_think</code>.

OPINION · WHO · LocalLLaMAOPEN STORY
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